All right you guys back to back. We're doing another long run.

Sorry I'm out of town so we're doing long runs. We did accidentally screwed up and I did two

gang shows in a row so I'm making up for it. Another author Casey

Thievage I think I said that right, I'm sorry if I got it wrong again, Casey.

He wrote this book called Running and Rambling A Decade of Chronicles and Reflections.

Now Casey's this guy that I met one time at that at the Indiana 100

training run more than 10 years ago and I've been following him ever since and he's

been a friend ever since and he's one of the very very very good guys of the running world.

In fact, he didn't really want to do podcast because he didn't want to promote this book,

he didn't want to seem like he was self-promoting, he's not a look at me kind of guy.

I think you get that when you listen to him and you read his book.

So, but I read the book and you know what there's something about the spirit of this guy.

You know the only thing I could compare it to is John Morlock.

This is not necessarily a book about how to run as much as like, you know, his feelings about running.

His feelings, you know, related to his family and his wife and involving his family in it and his dog and the

community and he's a real community guy sets up fat ass events he does all kinds of things for his running community

he started this Facebook group, We Ultra,

I'll put a link to that in the show notes that's kind of grown.

He's a very, very interesting and infectious guy,'re very unassuming very low-key and I think I think you really like him he's my kind of people and he's one of the good people of our sport

He's he's the kind of person that you're never going to hear on the, you know, the famous, you know, runner

podcasts and stuff like that, but, you know, he's the kind of person that behind the scenes is actually making this port happen.

So his book, Running and Rambling, I'll put a link to it in the show notes, it's available on Amazon.

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