Guys, this is going to be a long run episode. Back to normal business with my old friend Tim Long.

Tim and his partner Gary David used to have a podcast called Elevation Trail.

And Elevation Trail was just different.

It wasn't the typical, let's just have the guy that won the big recent race on it was a lot more back and

forth and banter between the two of them about their lives and about the you know

their thoughts on the issues that were confronting running they were

edgy they were controversial they were thought that were

controversial, they were thought-provoking.

Gary actually did a survey early on about, you know,

ultra-running and learned a lot because he has a background in sociology I believe also criminal justice anyway these guys had a different show and for some reason it kind of just hooked me and I listened to it religiously from the time I

started running on until it sort of abruptly ended. It feels like a few years ago is

probably a lot more. People that have been around for long enough and know him, no foot feathers,

know, you know, he was a great runner. He would say he was a good runner. I'd say he's a very good runner.

And he was a very good runner.

And he was a blogger and he put on races.

And he's just, he's a person that was really involved in this sport

and isn't anymore.

And so I wanted to know where is he and what's been going on and stuff like that.

But you know one of the things I actually said to him that is true sincerely is that I don't think that I would be a

podcaster I don't think that I would be as interested in the sport and the

culture of ultra running as I am I think that what they did had a huge impact on me and I greatly

admired both of them for the contributions that they made. And so we're going to

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