My job that's with my colleague Joseph Sternberg, he's in London and over these last days and weeks

has been a phenomenon in one of the London papers, the Daily Telegraph, associated with the

Conservative Party, but that's the party in power, so that's not surprising. However, it's been

called the Hancock files. Then Mr. Hancock was at one point the Minister of Health and then he

had several other titles, then he ran into trouble. He's something of a rascal and now he's famous

for being on television, for taking up with his childhood chum at university, all these colorful

things that make you a celebrity. But at the same time, there were hundreds of thousands, maybe more

of text messages, filling into the hands of a journalist to write a biography of Mad Hancock,

who needed it one, we don't know, but the journalist decided that the stuff was too rich and

leaked it or passed it on to the Daily Telegraph. And for some days, it dominated the news. But now,

Joe, you're calling most recently about Mad Hancock files. Was it the peak? Peak Hancock? Where did

it go? Where did the Hancock files go? Are they still there on page five or six and I haven't found them?

Well, I mean, this whole lockdown files phenomenon has almost completely evaporated over the past

few days. We had about two weeks of daily revelations from the Telegraph newspaper about this

trove of internal government communications that gave insight into how lockdown policy was made.

And now it's and it seems that the Telegraph has published most of the news that they have to

come out of this trove. And what is a little concerning but very instructive is that the scandal

doesn't really seem to be going anywhere right now. It ended up not attracting huge media attention

outside of the pages of the Telegraph. And I don't see a lot of evidence at least not yet that this

has had to be much of a political repercussion. And I think that's instructive. I think that it

highlights the fact that what the communications revealed is that oftentimes the politicians

are making scientific decisions less with a view toward the science and more with a view toward what

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