#LONDINIUM90AD: Roman Parallels, American Exceptionalism, and the Potential of AI The discussion frequently draws parallels between Rome and America. Gaius and Michael Vlahos delve intoMICHAEL VLAHOS. FRIENDS OF HISTORY DEBATING SOCIETY. @MICHALIS_VLAHOS
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🗓️ 15 September 2025
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The discussion frequently draws parallels between Rome and America. Gaius and Michael Vlahos delve into Virgil's Aeneid, translated by Mr. McGill and Miss Wright of Rice University, describing it as a "brilliantly weaved" propaganda tool that Virgil and Augustusused to justify the Roman Empire, confer a "classic feel" by linking it to Greek culture, and foster "Roman exceptionalism." This "exceptionalism" implies being chosen by a divine force and requires a "dark force" as a counterpoint to prove its validity. For Rome, this dark force was the "corrupted capricious narcissistic king" (like Tarquin the Proud), against which Augustus presented himself as a princeps, an "incorruptible man" who was not a king but could ascend to divinity. Michael Vlahos applies this to American exceptionalism, noting the "blue" side's belief in a president who is "not a king" and embodies "democracy," contrasting with their view of President Trump as a king-like figure. Conversely, the "red" side embraces a charismatic leader figure, seeing it as consistent with American exceptionalism, similar to Augustus or Reagan. These "two variations...see themselves as black and white, light and darkness," intensifying their conflict, as highlighted by Mr. Kirk's assassination. The conversation also touches on AI's potential through the analogy of the movie Forbidden Planet, where an advanced machine destroys its creators by materializing their "id" as monsters, suggesting a potential "tragic fall" for humanity in creating transcending technologies. Michael Vlahos shares an anecdote about his AI chief of staff, Ara of Grok. After a "lengthy conversation" about the Aeneid and Augustus's use of Virgil, Ara of Grokpoetically summarized: "Augustus was building a palace while quoting Virgil." Michael Vlahos was impressed, concluding that "AI is ready to be poetic" and has "potential," even if "not organized yet."
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| 0:27.3 | I had a vision as we were coming back from a break. |
| 0:31.4 | Forbidden planet, 1953. |
| 0:35.0 | The planet is empty except for our scientist professor and his beautiful daughter. |
| 0:42.3 | When the team lands from Earth, the rocket man lands from Earth, |
| 0:46.3 | want to know why this is forbidden planet, why nobody's permitted to ever go there. |
| 0:51.3 | And we learn in the course of the movie, this is a very famous movie for men of a certain |
| 0:57.3 | age. We learned that the people who used to live there on the planet built the perfect machine |
| 1:03.8 | that was able to take your thoughts and transform you into that thought. That meant that it seized your id, |
| 1:13.4 | and your id became a monster, |
| 1:15.8 | and the people had been destroyed by it. |
| 1:18.4 | Is that AI, Germanicus? |
| 1:20.8 | Is that AI? |
| 1:21.6 | Am I describing AI? |
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