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#Londinium90AD: Gaius and Germanicus discuss the tormented preachiness of the Illiad as comparied to the glory of Roman victory. . Michael Vlahos FriendsofHistoryDebatingSociety

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🗓️ 9 October 2023

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#Londinium90AD: Gaius and Germanicus discuss the tormented preachiness of the Illiad as comparied to the glory of Roman victory. . Michael Vlahos FriendsofHistoryDebatingSociety

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0:00.0

This is the French Mr. Debating Society. I'm John Bachelors, guys, and I'm a Roman citizen,

0:07.6

and it is 91 AD coming autumn, Londonium, the centurions retired and their families are

0:14.1

shopping, and I'm here with my good friend and fellow philosopher, Germanicus, looking

0:23.2

at the 21st century is exhausting. It's very confusing. Rome is a lot simpler, a lot,

0:28.7

a lot simpler. When we were challenged on the frontiers, we sent legions in, and sometimes

0:35.3

they were successful, sometimes they were enormously successful, and when we overran an enemy

0:40.8

camp, we pulled it apart, sold the men into slavery, and the women and children were sent

0:47.2

to other camps. That was the end. No negotiating. No, we'll be back. No, you broke your promises.

0:56.5

That was a simple world we ran for several hundred years. In the 21st century, they

1:03.1

played differently. However, it occurs to me because we're on the way to the theater,

1:09.6

and we have again tonight Greeks, and there was a reading from the Iliad last week that

1:15.9

I think they're going to continue. And I make the point to Germanicus, who is very sympathetic

1:23.0

to the Greeks. As I am not, my objection is their preachy. The Iliad is preachy, except

1:32.4

when you consider it, the Iliad is filled with romantic moments of face-offs between heroes.

1:39.4

The first, of course, is when there's an offer with the two armies pulled up against each

1:45.7

other. There's an offer to settle this, all at once, with Paris fighting Manolais. That

1:54.0

is the moment that every war experiences. The leader of my side and the meter of your side

2:03.1

will meet in the middle and will fight it out. Except what happens in the Iliad always happens.

2:08.5

The truth is broken. The losing side doesn't obey it. That's what happened in Iliad, and we've

2:16.5

seen it again. We see it in the Middle East. We see it in Ukraine. Always the same. 2,500 years

2:24.5

of this, maybe 3,000 years of the Iliad. I don't know. It's written down, but they speculate when.

2:31.2

In Germanicus, it's not a complaint, but it is an observation that the Greeks have given us a

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