This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I am Gaya's John Bachelor. I welcome

Dramanicus, my colleague and friend of many years. He is Mark of Lejos. When Londonium,

it's the spring of 91 AD. The Empire is fine. Thank you very much. Dimission is troubled.

Our Emperor, however, because Augustus, the God Augustus, did such a good job in putting the

Empire together initially. We feel very confident here in Londonium. Our security, our prosperity,

our future, at least the next hundred years, looks to be stable. However, we have a gift or a curse.

We can see twenty centuries ahead. And Gaya, Dramanicus and I gather here on the weekends,

we don't work. We have Greek Friedman who do all the work on our estate. We gather here to

speculate about what is the future for Europe, which is what Rome created for Europe,

twenty centuries from now, during the Ukraine conflict and afterwards.

Dramanicus, we begin with speculation. What if? What if Ukraine wins? And I don't have a clear

definition of what that win will look like, but the perception of winning. Russia stands down,

Ukraine stands down. They negotiate in some fashion. And it's perceived that Ukraine has outlasted

the Russian Empire. What does Europe look like after that eventuality? Good evening to Dramanicus.

Good evening, Gaya. And that is, of course, an extremely difficult question to work through in

large part because it remains at this moment from at least my vantage through the aperture

that I am viewing the world, that that is an extremely hypothetical possibility. So the first

approach that we must take to the possibility of a Ukrainian victory would be to look at what would

what would be needed for the Ukrainians to win. And I don't mean simply material or plans or

even intelligence or weather, but what would they need and what would need to attain in other

dimensions of the conflict for them to be successful in this long advertised, much

ballyhooed spring offensive. That every judgment of the Ukrainian boosters from those in the

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