Logan & Jake Paul’s Mom Breaks Her Silence | Ep 140
The George Janko Show
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4.7 • 1.1K Ratings
🗓️ 29 January 2026
⏱️ 98 minutes
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Summary
Season 4, Episode 1 is coming in hot after a long break—and we couldn’t have picked a better way to come back. Logan and Jake Paul’s mom sits down with me for a raw, unfiltered conversation you won’t expect. What starts as a story about raising two of the most famous brothers on the internet opens into untold moments, hard truths, and the real story behind her bold new book F the Pauls. We go deeper than we ever thought we would.
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Chapters:
00:00 Juicy Book & Going Deeper
02:10 Why She Made These Choices
03:55 Meeting Pam Stepnick
06:40 Raising Kids in the Public Eye
09:30 Fame Came Faster Than We Expected
12:45 Being a Mom While the World Watched
16:05 The Cost of Internet Fame
19:30 Divorce and Personal Responsibility
23:40 Guilt, Regret, and Forgiveness
27:10 Losing Control as a Parent
30:55 Letting Go of Your Kids
34:20 Faith When Life Falls Apart
37:50 Questioning God in Hard Seasons
41:10 God Never Left Me
44:45 Learning to Trust Again
48:30 Why She Wrote the Book
52:10 Reliving Pain Through Writing
56:00 Advice for Struggling Parents
59:40 Letting Your Kids Be Themselves
1:03:20 Faith Isn’t About Control
1:07:10 What I’d Do Differently
1:10:45 Message to Logan & Jake
1:15:00 Healing Takes Time
1:18:30 Final Thoughts on Purpose & Faith
Transcript
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| 0:29.8 | Dude, this is a juicy book. |
| 0:31.8 | It is. |
| 0:32.1 | Who did you live? |
| 0:32.8 | I'm like, did you guys go this deep on impulsive? |
| 0:35.4 | No. |
| 0:36.4 | You would have said I'm going to be married to Dr. Stupman one day. |
| 0:39.4 | Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on. He was your kid's doctor? Did you think I was going to dive this deep? Because I could tone it back. I just wanted to know. You know, people can question why I made the choices I made. These are why. I'm just paying. I don't buy you. You give me a lot to think about me. |
| 0:53.5 | I only go the way of Mr. Yawai. |
| 0:55.6 | I'm trying to correct me, but I'm stuck in my own way. Why? |
| 1:02.8 | I don't believe that's my own way. |
| 1:06.8 | Welcome back to the George Janko show, guys. |
| 1:08.0 | I'm here with my second mother. |
| 1:09.1 | Her name is Pam. |
| 1:11.1 | I reached out to Logan and I said, |
| 1:29.5 | Hey, man, is this okay? I reached out to him. I'm like, great. You're good with it? He goes, yes. I'm like, first question, how was it raising a gay son? And then he answered back. He said, she's been dying to answer that about Jake for a long time. Oh, I knew he's going to turn it. Yeah, me too. I totally knew he's going to turn it over. |
| 1:29.3 | It was just me trying to test the waters, you know, see if everybody's okay with it. |
| 1:32.3 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you wrote a book? I did. Dude, how did that, like, come about? Like, were you sitting around being like something that I tell these people? these people. Yes. Somebody has to tell these people what to say and do and save the world from social |
| 1:44.3 | media, you know, |
| 1:45.4 | the internet fame. And I'm the only one that could do it. So I did it. Literally have been, |
| 1:52.1 | I didn't realize this until I looked back in my phone. I have been taking notes since 2019. |
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