If I was going to call you that in the episode, do you think we'd need a strong language warning?

Yeah, I mean, you call me that in the street, but I don't think we should do it on Mike.

Okay, I think we should probably put a warning on this then.

From Wondery, I'm Matt Ford, and I'm Alice Levy, and this is British Scandal.

Alice, just like that, it's all over with Liz Tross.

Like that. Thank God, I was actually scared I was going to lose you to the spirit of Margaret

Thatcher there for a second. So any surprises from the series for you?

Well, I mean, so strange revisiting this as it's such recent history,

it sort of feels like there hasn't been enough time to reckon with just how dramatic an impact

for those 44 days were, but going back and looking at it, it's actually even more surreal

than it felt at the time. And it seems like such an obvious thing to say, but it is crazy to see

how much happened in those days and how quickly the shit hit the fan. The phrase is watching a car crash

in slow motion, but I guess in this case it's just watching a car crash. Yeah, and I suppose

the big thing is that I still don't really know how Liz Tross did it. Granted, she's relentlessly

ambitious. She won't take no for an answer. She's sort of tipped by several Tory leaders as

someone to watch. But then on the flip side, she's impulsive, she's reckless, and perhaps

just plain mediocre. So it's hard to wrap my head around how she rose to the top in the way that

she did. Well, hopefully our interviews today will be able to shed some light.

Interviews? Yes, seeing as it's such a special series for us, we've decided to give you not just

one, but two interviews never say that we don't treat you. First, the trust karaoke impression,

now this, what have I done to deserve you? To kick off, we're going to chat to an author,

journalist and podcaster who spent nearly 30 years working in politics. It's everyone's favourite

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