Hello typology tribe Ian Morgan Cron here. You are listening to the podcast on which we explore the mystery of the human personality and the human adventure. And today we have a tremendous show. We need to welcome any a gram three with a two wing and author of the new book energy rising.

The neuroscience of leading with emotional power. Dr Julia Dick Ganshi. Welcome to the show. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited to be here. Thank you so much for having me.

It's always interesting like when people say you're any a gram type. It's sometimes for me almost feels like a little bit of a maybe a loosely held secret like I don't know if you guys feel this but sometimes when people know your type.

There's there's something beautiful about it, but there's also sometimes something like awkward or even a little bit humiliating about it. So I'm happy to get into that as well.

Wow. I never really thought about it. It certainly does place us in a position of vulnerability, right? Well, listen, we love any gram three with a with a two wing. It's a great combination. For those of you who are listening, you know that it's this is called the performer.

Sometimes the the achiever. And I will start with the question we often do, which is how did you learn about the any gram. And what did you think and feel when you learned that you were a three with a two.

And I'll interject before you answer. I'm really excited because here in Nashville, we get a lot of three four wings. But this is really cool to have a two wing for three.

I am as a neuropsychologist. That means I'm a clinical psychologist with the specialized expertise in the brain. I will help the shit on it.

So I will love your I will love your ass off.

That is right. Whether you like it or not.

Oh, man. Okay, where's your learn about the any gram. What did you think you learned your three.

Okay, so I don't remember the precise moment, which is wild to say because like I adore the any a gram. I've gotten into some of its history.

The person who really opened the any a gram for me is father Richard Roer. Do you know, he's written some beautiful books on the any a gram.

And I just think it's, you know, as a psychologist, I'm always thinking about models of behavior. And my god, I've seen so as a neuropsychologist, we are in the business of assessing cognition and behavior.

So I have seen every instrument under the sun.

And there is something extraordinary about the any gram, which is why I'm sure you guys have an entire show devoted to it.

So I just think it's richness, it's accuracy. Every time I do it with people, you know, sometimes I'll do it in coaching groups or people almost feel like how in the world.

I feel found out like how could it sort of read me that well.

So I don't remember the precise moment, but I do remember once I did it, I started reading books about it.

I get I read no emails daily except for a foraging email. I like to forage with my little kids and every day I get an any a gram meditation and not only do I read mine.

I read other types too. That's how interesting I think it is.

Oh wow. What's your what is your husband, do you know?

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