Hey everyone welcome to the Bullworks live event I'm JVL here with my best friend ever Tim Miller of the Bullwork and joined by two other very good friends Tom Nichols of the Atlantic and Ben Smith from Semaphore, totally by surprise.

Honored to be here. It's, you guys look like the stepbrothers, you know, do we just become best friends it's a

hanging uh all right I'll just start it off that was way more depressing than I was

prepared for and I don't know if I can fucking do this for another 15 months.

I'll just lay it out there.

The prospect of sitting through another 12...

This is why Ben is here.

We're thinking about replacing you.

I thought you were going to say you can't do this for the next him. I, good God. All right, you know what, Tom, this was the

Vivek debate, yes? Is, is that fair to say?

Elon Musk, Lord Musk just tweeted that he's very intrigued by that Vivaic? Vivaic seemed to be the middle of everything.

Tell me what you thought.

I think this is the debate where the Jocks

and the artistic drama club kids and the nerds

and the Zoomers and the Dweenies.

Everybody agreed that Vivick's the most annoying person in high school because they all clearly hated him. But he's just, I mean the one, and I said this you know tweeted this out he he made everyone else look normal even to Santas because he has that kind of hyper-caffinated the big teeth kind of a big over overly big smile the the Peter Navarro hands right you know what the hands going

so you know I mean Ron DeSantis had to be sitting there and saying, thank God for this guy, because

DeSantis did not manage to look normal for most of the evening.

But yeah, I mean in that sense,

the, if, if the only thing you remember

is who kind of really sort of was like nails on a blackboard, then yeah, it was the it was the Vivic debate.

I don't I don't. Nails on a blackboard for who though. Yeah, I have a contrarian

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