live. Are we live right now? We are live right now. This is Nick Gillespie, and this is the reason to interview with Nick Gillespie. I don't know why I need to have other people on the show, but I have chosen on this special live stream election I have Allison Schrager, who is a policy

analyst at the Manhattan Institute and a columnist for Bloomberg, a PhD economist who does

risk management by trade, right?

Yeah, thanks for having me.

Okay, well, thank you, Allison. And we have Camille Foster, who's one of the co-conspirators of the fifth column.

Yes.

And a founder or co-founder of Freethink Media, which is currently...

Just go by Freethink Now, actually.

Why? Are you no longer media?

We still make media, but it's actually, I don't know.

I don't know. I didn't make the decision, if I'm honest.

But aren't you the guy in charge?

I mean, do you think they let me do anything or make decisions? I don't even have a title anymore. Just tempt you out, right? Pretty much. Pretty much. Okay, so it's election night. We're doing a

line stream. And I guess, you know, it's too early to know for sure what's going on, but let's start with a very newsy question. Camille, do you have a

sense of when the dust settles who's going to be president? I have no idea, and I do not do

prognostication anymore. Ever since I got the Trump 2016 primary call completely wrong, insisting

that he couldn't possibly win, I've just decided not to do that anymore.

So, yeah, I'm out of that game.

Absolutely.

I find it all, like, kind of fascinating.

I wish it were a little less intense for so many people.

I will say that I think in the next four years, we'll probably have another election,

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