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My guest today is Musa Algarbi, a sociologist at Stony Brook University,

and the author of The New Book, We Have Never Been Woke, the cultural contradictions of a new

elite. Al Garvey argues that academics, journalists, and other elite professionals that he

calls symbolic capitalists are disconnected from the marginalized

and disadvantaged communities they claim to champion and represent. We talk about how

wokeness has transformed the college experience, why blacks and Hispanics appear to be embracing

Donald Trump in record numbers and Al Garby's own cancellation in 2014 after he criticized

U.S. foreign policy. Here is the reason interview with Musa Al Garby.

Musa, thanks for coming out. It's great to be here.

Thank you so much for having me.

And great applause.

Yeah, all right.

Well, you're really working the crowd already.

So let's start with the title of the book.

We have never been woke.

What does it mean to be woke? And you write about at least four

great awokenings, and we're in one. So what does it mean to be woke? And what is the

awokening that we've been kind of stuck in for the past decade or so? Sure, sure. So the title is a play

on a different book by another sociologist, Bruno Latour.

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