Hello it's Adam here from the UK True Crime Podcast. Last weekend I was at CrimeCon in London

I had an absolute blast and one of the highlights for me was interviewing live on Sunday afternoon

a new author Jason Wilson about his book The Old Man and Me. Really interesting to see Jason

the book's fantastic going by it and what follows now is my interview with Jason

live in front of a CrimeCon London audience last Sunday talking about his book The Old Man and Me.

I hope you enjoyed. I'll speak to you soon.

Okay well thank you ever so much for coming to join us in the soreness afternoon.

My name is Adam on the host of the UK True Crime Podcast and I'm delighted to be joined today by Jason Wilson.

So has everyone read Jason's book The Old Man and Me? Please maybe show your hands if you read it.

Oh okay. So a couple of people read it a couple of people hand.

So maybe you just start just by telling people here just why you decided to write this book.

My father died in 2015. I'd worked for him over the years. He was a career criminal right from the 70s,

right from the age of bank robbers and frauds, right into the era of the drug dealer.

And I'd drawn that period I'd worked for him and when I worked for him I thought

it'd be great if one day someone could write this down and show what it was really like

rather than what you'd seen films and in other books and then like 15 years later he passed

and after a period I did think it'd be nice to write all this down write his life down

and actually kind of correct the record so to speak.

In my city he was known for becoming a millionaire and imploding by robbing a bank and really

bulls in the whole thing up. But he had a long career as a criminal and he did go very high up in

that he'd become a crime bus for like 20 years so he was real high level and I thought it'd be

nice to write his story. But also the first approach was really to do a standard book which is

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