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Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, the Spectator's Daily Politics Podcast. I'm Oskredminton.

On Wednesday, the Spectator hosted what I think I'm right in saying is the first ever

head-to-head debate between members of the Conservative Party and Reform UK. Nick Timothy and

Clare Coutinio took on Danny Kruger and Matt Goodwin to see which party truly represents the

future of the right.

Now, the event was chaired by our assistant editor, Isabel Hardman, and in this podcast, you will hear a

section of their discussion where they consider the likelihood of an electoral pact, the difference

between each party's approach to the economy and net zero, and many other things.

To find out more about the events we're staging over the rest of the year,

go to spectator.com.uk forward slash events.

And I hope you enjoy the podcast.

So, round two.

We've heard from our four speakers,

and now it's time for the fight on the right to get a bit scrappier,

possibly with some hurty words to quote Claire.

Before we get down to that,

I'm just going to kick off this to and fro between the four of you

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