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Hello and welcome back to Cult Leader. I'm your Cult Leader Spencer Henry and if you're new here, Cult Leader is a podcast about Cult and Moida and whatever we feel like getting into every week.

But this, this, my friends, this is not a regular Cult Leader. She is a little leader. She is smaller. She is compact. She is what everyone's talking about on Fridays. It's Friday's favorite gal about town. Miss little leader. This week I have some wild stories, but first let's catch up a little bit. Fun, I had a fun week. I hope everyone had a good week. I had a week where there was just something to do every minute of the day.

It was great. I felt I'm ending this week feeling very productive. I feel like I got a lot of good stuff done, which is great because it's just continuing on. Olivia is coming to visit my sister this weekend and I'm really excited because we're gonna do a bunch of fun stuff.

Yeah, I just got a lot done this week. I went to a concert. I saw a Charlie Crockett play the show at the region here in LA and Charlie Crockett, if you're not familiar, I'm a newer fan. Really good. Put on a really good show. It's like good, classic, like kind of 60s-ish country music vibes. Really into it. What else happened this week?

Well, I've just been so inundated by this Mormon Manson story. We talked about it on Monday, our first part and part two will come out next Monday. I'm almost done, like, finalizing everything on it, but there's so much that I want to include that there could literally be a third episode. I haven't decided yet, but it's a possibility. It's a strong possibility because there's just so much information. And I feel like at this point, I've crammed a lot into this second episode.

I don't like the feeling of having to completely rush through the stuff that I want to talk about. So I'll either find a way to include what I want in a way that I feel like tells it cohesively, or I'll just end up putting out a third episode on it.

Time will tell. We'll see. I'll let you know on Monday. Should we should be getting to our emails? The subject's one of this first email really caught my eye. It says, my dad casually named drops John Wayne Gacy after dinner.

I said, hey, we were just talking about that. Hello Spencer and precious hot dog. Let me tell you about the mind fuckery.

My 75 year old kind hearted angel of a father bestowed upon me this week. Like many of us, I fall asleep too, true crime podcast.

Because something, something anxiety and something, something they're fascinating. Well, after spending a night at my parents' house and falling asleep with my door open in my podcast on speaker,

my poor father was subjected to the unnerving knowledge that his only daughter falls asleep to some disturbing shit. I mean, who doesn't? Me? Because guess what? I can hear about this stuff all day long. I can read, I can watch, I can listen all day long.

But when it comes time to go to bed, I've told you before I have to watch something happy. Whenever people tell me, oh, I listened to you before I fall asleep, I'm like, how? I get nervous.

I have to distract myself from it. Anywho, my dad is a full blown lifetime movie during the holidays type. If at the end, the city girl doesn't fall for her old, down-home fling over her hedge fund manager, fiance, my poor dad would probably email lifetime CEO with a strongly worded email in order to express his disappointment.

I digress, in all honesty, my dad is rad. Sounds rad. Hey, we love a lifetime movie. Dads who listen to lifetime? Right up my alley. But what he isn't good at is the art of delivery. While sitting at the dinner table one night, he turns to me and says, so he liked true crime. And being hesitantly dove into my absolute and complete consumption of all things true crime, I answer also casually. I mean, yeah, I enjoy it.

Then, this man, my father, and an equally casual boy says, did I ever tell you I went to the same psychologist who evaluated John Wayne Gacy? What is even happening? As I'm picking my jaw off the off of the floor and making sure my stomach doesn't fall through my butt, he Googles Dr. Richard Rapivore. He goes, oh, he looks pretty much the same and shows me his picture like he's showing me a high res photo of a solar eclipse or some shit.

Like I said, dad is rad. The backstory is that apparently dad was a patient of Dr. Rapivore since Chicago for a few years from the late 70s before Dr. Rapivore moved his practice to California. Dr. Rapivore apparently interviewed Gacy for over 65 hours and also played an integral part of the Atlanta Child Murder's investigation.

My mind remains blown. That is actually really crazy. Please share this if you choose, so I'm not alone in my mindblownness. No, our minds are all blowing along with you. Thanks for reading this, either on or off air.

I'm going to change the dynamic and say that I'm not sorry for how long this is because my very vanilla lifetime movie loving 75 year old father just casually dropped into our post dinner conversation that he was a patient of the same psychologist who evaluated John Wayne Gacy. Sorry not sorry not even a little bit.

Thanks for reading and feel free to use my name Rachel. Rachel, thank you for that story. I love it. I feel like it's so true. Dad's sometimes have the most abrupt delivery of things. It's a big joke and our family. My dad is just notorious for walking in and he'll just casually drop bombshells will be like, oh you know blah blah blah.

Yeah, there's that couple of bubble blah. Oh yeah, husband hung himself last night and it's like, what? Why? Why? Very abrupt delivery. I actually I decided to search John Wayne Gacy in my email inbox on the off chance someone else had written in about a weird connection.

And you guys literally the same day that this email came in from this listener Rachel someone else wrote in and you betcha there is a John Wayne Gacy connection and we'll get to it right after this quick break. Okay, so now for this Gacy connection the subject line says little leader. My mom's invincible.

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