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Listener Reaction: Didn't See That Coming Part 1

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Javier Leiva

Society & Culture, True Crime, Technology

4.72.6K Ratings

🗓️ 17 January 2026

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

Longtime Patreon supporter Rebecca Catalfu joins Javier to unpack her firsthand experience going undercover at Matt Fraser's psychic readings. Rebecca went into this investigation as a believer and came out the other side with a very different perspective. In this conversation, she and Javier break down the patterns they observed across multiple readings: the decision tree (grandparent, parent, or mystery), the "who is that to you?" fishing technique, the stop statements psychics use when they're not getting hits, and the emotional bell curve that takes grievers to rock bottom before lifting them back up with platitudes. Rebecca also shares what it was like to make it into the virtual "panelist waiting room," the inconsistencies she noticed while analyzing readings for Susan's YouTube channel, and why she's most concerned about the predatory potential these readings pose to vulnerable people. Plus: Javier attempts his own cold reading. It does not go well. LINKS: Susan Gerbic's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@PsychicsExplained Matt Fraser Playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLcSfdioxwHQGkyFZ68maphdIJuYcb8xln Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:12.0

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0:37.7

Hey guys, it's me, Javier. I'm here with a longtime Patreon supporter, Rebecca Cotelfew,

0:43.0

who has been supporting the show forever. I feel like I see her name all the time on Patreon,

0:49.4

on comments, and it's so nice to finally have her on the show. Welcome, Rebecca. Thank you for volunteering to do this

0:56.9

and everything else you've done recently for us. Thank you so much, Javier. And thanks for your

1:01.1

podcast. I really enjoy your work. For those of you listening to this, Rebecca and I have been working

1:07.4

with Susan Gerbig for months now, right? I feel like a couple months ago, I went on Patreon and I asked my Patreon supporters and

1:16.3

said, hey, listen, this woman, Susan Gerbick is doing a psychic sting.

1:22.2

She's going to go, she needs people to go undercover and we're going to go attend the psychic

1:27.3

sting. And I said, if any of you want to participate, you know, he needs people to go undercover and we're going to go attend the psychics thing. And I said,

1:28.4

if any of you want to participate, you know, here's the information. And a lot of my Patreon

1:33.9

supporters were interested in this. And you were one of those people. Yes. And we spent all

1:40.6

of Thanksgiving weekend listening to these psychic readings.

1:44.6

How grueling was that?

1:46.3

Oh, my gosh.

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