After looking at those posters, I turned to them and said, Socrates, I feel kind of guilty or selfish.

Doing all this work on myself.

My friends are out protesting and marching, and I'm just training in the gym and studying, and doing this work with you.

And shouldn't I be out there doing more social activism, and they stopped.

And he turned to me and said the oddest thing. And by the way, I got this little scene into the movie version of the book.

But he said, Take a swing at me.

You know, I went, What? Did you hear what I just said? He said, Yeah, come on, I'll give you five bucks.

If you can slap me on the cheek.

So I started bobbing and weaving, and I finally took my shot, tried to slap him on the cheek, found myself on the ground in a rather painful wrist lock.

And as he let me up to help me up to my feet, he said, Dan, did you notice a little leverage?

You can be very effective in shaking my wrist out. I said, Yeah, so I got noticed.

And he said, Well, if you want to help people and be active and do these social things, of course, do what your heart tells you.

But he said, Do not neglect the work on yourself.

So you can develop that kind of clarity and compassion.

So you'll know how to exert the right leverage at the right place, at the right time.

I'm Srini Rao, and this is the unmistakable creative podcast where you get a window into the stories and insights of the most innovative and creative minds,

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Dan, welcome to the unmistakable creative. Thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

So glad to be here with you.

Yeah, it is my pleasure to have you here. So I actually was introduced to you by way of a number of people,

one of our listeners who had recommended you as a guest, and also by our mutual friend Glenn Beck,

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