When I think of self-extraction, I think of pouring out and giving and holding space and

showing up for other people, not from a place of overflow, but from a place of depletion and

not from a place of genuine capacity and desire, but from a place of pressure and fear of what will happen if we

don't, and really like a place of perceived lack.

I'm Jocelyn K. Gly, and this is Hurry Slowly, a podcast about personal and collective transformation.

My guest today is Lisa Oliveira, who I discovered through her writing on Substack, where she

authors a very beautiful newsletter called Human Stuff.

That feels like, and I hope she doesn't mind me saying this, I would say that human stuff

feels like it shares some DNA strands with this podcast. It has a strong curiosity about the human

condition and about how we evolve and about how we can be more tender with ourselves.

And when I went to write Lisa's introduction for this episode, I decided that I

liked her about page so much that there was no point in trying to improve on it. So here's a little bit

of how Lisa describes herself and her work in her own words. I'm a writer, a creative, a therapist, a seeker, an enneagram 4W5, an INFJ, a one-third splenic projector,

or maybe that's one over three splenic projector, that's some human design stuff, I don't

know a lot about that, a deep question asker, an adoptee, a wife, a mother, a cat mom, a sister, a student of curiosity, and a nature worshipper.

She writes, I think of myself as a guide and mirror who is here to support humans in remembering, cultivating, and living into their full humanity.

I am certain that we are all already whole, worthy, and good enough, but sometimes life

and the systems we live in make it really hard to remember that truth. Amen to that.

Lisa is also the author of The Wonderful Book,

Already Enough, A Path to Self- Acceptance, which is about how to reframe the stories we tell

ourselves about our own worthiness. Side note to listeners who are particularly into Myers-Briggs

personality tests. I am a total sucker for

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