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This is Design Matters with Debbie Millman from Design Observer.com.

For 11 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are, and what they're thinking about.

On this podcast, Debbie Milman talks with artist and writer Lisa Congdon about how she

sometimes felt like an imposter. At some point, somebody's going to realize that I don't really know

what I'm doing or I sort of like taught myself how to do this. Like, I'm not really a real artist.

I'm sort of faking it. Here's Debbie Milman.

Lisa Congdon is a late bloomer. She didn't become a professional artist until she was in

her late 30s. She's been professionally painting and illustrating and writing for about a decade now,

and she's still blooming. She exhibits her paintings around the country. Her clients include MoMA, Harvard, and many others.

And she's the author of six books, including Art, Inc., the Essential Guide to Building Your Career as an

artist. Her latest illustrated book is The Joy of Swimming, a celebration of our love for getting in the water.

She joins me now to talk about it and her fabulous career.

Lisa Congdon, welcome to Design Matters.

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