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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

Line of Duty – How comics journalist Joe Sacco brings untold stories to life

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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News, Government, Politics, Society & Culture

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 19 November 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Writer-artist Joe Sacco created a new kind of journalism when he combined on-the-ground reportage with painstaking hand-drawn illustration. His award-winning books including Palestine and Safe Area Gorazde brought under-reported stories to new audiences. In his absorbing new book The Once And Future Riot he travels to Uttar Pradesh, India, to explore the causes and consequences of the bitter religious and political violence that consumed the area in the 2010s. He talks to Andrew Harrison about life as a conflict cartoonist, creativity vs A.I., and how “comics journalism” can do things the TV news never can.  • Buy The Once And Future Riot through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll help fund The Bunker by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too. • Head to nakedwines.co.uk/thebunker to get a £30 voucher and 6 top-rated wines from our sponsor Naked Wines for £39.99, delivery included. • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to indeed.com/bunker for £100 sponsored credit.  www.patreon.com/bunkercast  Written and presented by Andrew Harrison. Producer: Liam Tait. Audio production by Robin Leeburn. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Artwork by James Parrett. Managing Editor: Jacob Jarvis. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. www.podmasters.co.uk  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hello, it's Andrew Harrison here.

0:01.5

And it's Alex von Tundleman.

0:02.9

Today's episode is brought to you by naked wines. Alex, buying wines. Have you ever bought a bottle because it costs 12 quid, but it looks like it costs 20 quid? Well, whenever I can find one. It can be confusing, can't it? You find yourself sort of grasping up whatever's on the shelf and hoping for the best. What do you sense of like to drink yourself? Well, I generally drink white wine,

0:21.3

but I mean, I like all wines. I didn't get this way by having favourites, Andrew.

0:24.7

Well, I'm the male stereotype. I like reds that are bangers, reds that are chewy. It's a bit kind of roulette, isn't it? You never quite know what you're going to get. You know, I just don't know at all. I mean, I am pretty ignorant about it. I have to say, I know what I like, but I don't

0:36.8

always know how to find it. There you go. Well, the good thing about naked wines is they'll help

0:40.5

guide you towards wines that you will really like. And you can try new stuff without the risk, because if you don't like a bottle, you don't pay for it. Oh, okay. Yeah, you let them know and they credit your account. So you can try something else next time. Zero risk.

0:54.8

Naked wines is the best way to get great wine without the faf and to discover fantastic

0:59.9

new flavors without the wine snobbery. Does this sound up your straight, Alex?

1:04.1

Sounds a very good idea because I am terrible being a wine snob. I'm quite clearly just winging it.

1:09.8

Well, luckily, we have got an offer for listeners as well.

1:12.6

If you go to nakedwines.co.ukuker, you can get a £30 voucher and six top-rated

1:19.0

wines, reds, whites, a mix, whatever you like, all for just £39.99p, including delivery.

1:25.3

That is a mere £6.67p a bottle. And anything you don't like, just tell them. You'll get credit to use on your next order. And you can't do that at the offer at the top of the road, can you? Despite me trying. So that's a £30, nakedwines voucher at nakedwines.com.combe, or follow the link in the show notes. Terms and conditions apply.

1:44.7

Cheers, Alex.

1:45.3

Cheers, Andrew.

1:57.6

Hello and welcome back to the bunker, your daily serving of news without the nonsense.

1:58.6

I'm Andrew Harrison.

2:01.9

Today, there are acclaimed war correspondence and famous war photographers. There are renowned painters of war, poets of war, musicians of war.

2:07.4

But less well known are the comics journalists. People who combine illustration with reported

2:11.9

fact, interviews and opinion to bring alive real stories from around the world. Often the ones

2:16.6

newspapers and TV are not

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