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The Bunker – News without the nonsense

Is China our only hope?

The Bunker – News without the nonsense

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Politics, Government, Society & Culture, News

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2025

⏱️ 19 minutes

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Summary

For years China has been cast as a climate villain, responsible for roughly a third of global greenhouse gas emissions. But China’s emissions have begun to level off and the country has quietly become a powerhouse in clean-energy. Today on The Bunker, Gavin Esler is joined by Barbara Finamore, Senior Visiting Fellow at the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies and author of Will China Save the Planet to find out if China’s clean-energy model is the future everyone else will have to follow — or a path too politically uncomfortable for the rest of the world. Buy Barbara’s book Will China Save the Planet through our affiliate bookshop and you’ll be helping the podcast by earning us a small commission for every sale. Bookshop.org’s fees help support independent bookshops too. Head to nakedwines.co.uk/thebunker to get 6 top-rated wines from our sponsor Naked Wines for £39.99, delivery included. • We are sponsored by Indeed. Go to https://indeed.com/bunker for £100 sponsored credit.   www.patreon.com/bunkercast  Follow us on BlueSky: https://bsky.app/profile/bunkerpod.bsky.social  Advertisers! Want to reach smart, engaged, influential people with money to spend? (Yes, they do exist). Some 3.5 MILLION people download and watch our podcasts every month – and they love our shows. Why not get YOUR brand in front of our influential listeners with podcast advertising? Contact ads@podmasters.co.uk to find out more. Written and presented by Gavin Esler. Producer: Liam Tait. Audio editor: Robin Leeburn. Managing editor: Jacob Jarvis. Music by Kenny Dickinson. Group Editor: Andrew Harrison. THE BUNKER is a Podmasters Production. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hello, it's Andrew Harrison here.

0:01.5

And it's Alex von Tundleman.

0:02.9

Today's episode is brought to you by naked wines. Alex, buying wines. Have you ever bought a bottle because it costs 12 quid, but it looks like it costs 20 quid? Well, whenever I can find one. It can be confusing, can't it? You find yourself sort of grasping up whatever's on the shelf and hoping for the best. What do you sense of like to drink yourself? Well, I generally drink white wine,

0:21.3

but I mean, I like all wines. I didn't get this way by having favourites, Andrew.

0:24.7

Well, I'm the male stereotype. I like reds that are bangers, reds that are chewy. It's a bit kind of roulette, isn't it? You never quite know what you're going to get. You know, I just don't know at all. I mean, I am pretty ignorant about it. I have to say, I know what I like, but I don't

0:36.8

always know how to find it. There you go. Well, the good thing about naked wines is they'll help

0:40.5

guide you towards wines that you will really like. And you can try new stuff without the risk, because if you don't like a bottle, you don't pay for it. Oh, okay. Yeah, you let them know and they credit your account. So you can try something else next time. Zero risk.

0:54.8

Naked wines is the best way to get great wine without the faf and to discover fantastic

0:59.9

new flavors without the wine snobbery. Does this sound up your straight, Alex?

1:04.1

Sounds a very good idea because I am terrible being a wine snob. I'm quite clearly just winging it.

1:09.8

Well, luckily, we have got an offer for listeners as well.

1:12.6

If you go to nakedwines.co.ukuker, you can get a £30 voucher and six top-rated

1:19.0

wines, reds, whites, a mix, whatever you like, all for just £39.99p, including delivery.

1:25.3

That is a mere £6.67p a bottle. And anything you don't like, just tell them. You'll get credit to use on your next order. And you can't do that at the offer at the top of the road, can you? Despite me trying. So that's a £30, nakedwines voucher at nakedwines.com.combe, or follow the link in the show notes. Terms and conditions apply.

1:44.7

Cheers, Alex.

1:45.3

Cheers, Andrew.

1:55.7

Hello and welcome to The Bunker.

1:56.7

I'm Gavin Esler.

2:02.9

For years, China has been named and blamed as the world's biggest polluter, emitting roughly a third of total greenhouse gas emissions. Perhaps that is not surprising, since China has a

2:08.0

population of one and a half billion people, and the Chinese economic miracle is based on an

2:13.6

extraordinary period of industrialisation, modernisation, manufacturing,

2:18.4

and inevitably an increased demand for energy.

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