I had a mentor say early on when I first had children,

you know, let your children be your reason, not your excuse.

And I think that one of the benefits of having had our children young,

though there were many things that made that incredibly challenging,

that you kind of grow up with your children, not in the sense that they're your friends,

but that there was no way that we were letting those kids slow us down.

Let it go back. Let it go. Hi, welcome back. This week I spoke with Zoe Pollack, a Vancouver-based artist and industrial designer.

She is so cool. We spoke about how after she decided to get sober, she turned to journaling as a way of expression and inner reflection.

And when she realized how useful this was for her,

she married her interests in both art and writing

to create something called Vessels and Muses,

which we get into in this episode.

And I loved this conversation.

We covered how she moved when she had a really young family, moving to Montreal and

breaking traditional norms of what's possible when you have a family. We talk about parenting. She gives

some really great advice around that. We talk about what she calls life quakes, things that are

twists in our plan, that really shank things up and how they can lead to growth and surrender

and letting go of what's no longer

working. And we talk quite a bit about communication near the end and the benefits of directness

and community care and how she manages her deep friendships while still maintaining her creative

pursuits, which I found really useful. So here's my conversation with Zoe. Thank you so much for listening. I'm so glad

you're here. Okay, here it is. It's really nice to meet you. And I was saying this before we

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