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The Experiment

Life, Liberty, and Drugs

The Experiment

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4.5 β€’ 2.8K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 17 June 2021

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

The Columbia professor Carl Hart spent his career studying the effects of drugs, and uses heroin himself. In his book Drug Use for Grown-Ups, he argues that not only can drug use be safer, but that it’s our right.

This week on The Experiment: how villainizing drug use interferes with our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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This episode was produced by Alvin Melathe and Katherine Wells, with help from Gabrielle Berbey. Special thanks to Michelle Ciarrocca. Fact-check by William Brennan. Sound design by David Herman. Engineering by Alexander Overington.

Music by r mccarthy (β€œFine”), infinite bisous (β€œTouch 2 Much (Morsel)”), Ob (β€œMog”), Parish Council (β€œMarmalade Day,” β€œMuseum Weather,” β€œHeatherside Stores,” and β€œMopping”), and Column (β€œο½’The Art of Funο½£ (Raj),” β€œQuiet Song,” and β€œMorsel Code”), provided by Tasty Morsels. Additional audio from CNN, FOX News, The Breakfast Club, and Pee-Wee Herman.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Julie Lungoria.

0:28.8

This is the experiment.

0:30.8

And this week, we're handing it over to producer Alvin Mellon.

0:37.6

I want to introduce you to Dr. Carl Hart.

0:41.0

So maybe we'll just start by you telling me who you are.

0:44.8

I'm Carl Hart.

0:45.8

I'm a professor at Columbia University.

0:48.6

I am also a research scientist at the New York State Psychiatric Institute.

0:53.8

Carl's a neuroscientist, but he's recently become really interested in one of our founding documents.

0:59.8

It's really important for us to think about the Declaration of Independence because I was ignorant like most Americans.

1:05.4

And I hadn't read it as an adult.

1:07.8

And so when you read it as an adult, you realize this is profound.

1:15.8

This is the original promise to American citizens.

1:19.4

This is what it means to be an American.

1:22.4

Carl is a big fan of the Declaration of Independence.

1:25.4

And he's been on a crusade to get other people to read it too.

1:28.4

I feel like whenever I have these conversations, particularly when I vote to Declaration of Independence, people say,

1:34.4

yeah, yeah, yeah, as if they know what's in the Declaration, when in fact, I know they don't.

1:39.4

Because there's no reason for you to read it because nobody requires you to read it.

1:44.4

And the reason he wants people to read it is that he thinks there's this one big part of American life

1:49.4

where we aren't allowing people to do the basic stuff that the document declares

1:54.4

to exercise the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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