Welcome to part two of our conversation with Alan McNeil about the soldier on the other side.

Let me ask you this. When you went into this initially, and maybe this has changed over the years,

but what was your goal when you started investigating the dead and people's paranormal experiences?

Like I said, after what I went through was not having anyone believe me and not being

able to talk to people, because if I did, they were like, oh, okay, all right, Ellen,

yeah, all right. You know, and, you know, just kind of patting you on the head going, okay, all right, Ellen, yeah, all right.

You know, and, you know, just kind of patting you on the head going,

okay, she's grieving and everything, and I'm like,

I wish I, I wish we had cell phones back then

that I could have just taken pictures of what this room looked like

and all the broken things

that were in here.

Sure.

And I said, I never want to have people not believed and not listened to.

You know, everybody has a different experience.

It's sometimes it's explainable. Sometimes you can say,

oh, that's not what it is. It's this. And it's not paranormal. And, you know, I mean, when they,

like on taps, when they'd be like, well, we're going to debunk this, we're going to debunk that.

I never really understood how far that goes, you know, when you go out of your way to find a reason for what's going on.

And then you can say, you know what, We couldn't debunk this. It's not your

pipes. It's not a raccoon. It's not squeaky floor. You have something here.

You know, either somebody that you don't know passed away in the house, whether it's a

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