Welcome to Karen Hunter's awesome.

I'm Karen Hunter.

And I have a pleasure of sitting with Pinky Cole, the founder of Sluddy Vegan.

I'm actually going to share that interview on Friday for my what to watch list as well.

It's on my what to watch list, the Atlanta Housewives, which Pinky Cole is now a member.

But I was thinking about her. She was sharing with me her journey to filing for bankruptcy and

creating this amazing empire, the slutty vegan empire, and then losing it all, losing a lot of it,

publicly, very publicly and some of the mistakes she made.

But what I was experiencing with her more than anything was she didn't give herself room to fail,

but also I think her incredible heart, like she got into business from a heart

standpoint, not from necessarily, this is the way you do business. And it didn't end well for her.

As a serial entrepreneur, which I am, I have come to a place where I no longer think of myself as a quote unquote business woman.

I don't do business.

I do community.

I don't do business.

I do people.

So I go into every situation, not with a spreadsheet in ROI return on investment and looking

at how I am going to make the most money out of this particular

business. But I go into it looking at how I'm going to make the biggest impact and also

how is this business going to be here 10 years from now, 20 years from now, 50 years from now,

which forces me to look at the bottom line,

but that's not my motivation. When I first started in my 20s, because when I first started

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