I don't see the war ending in such a way in which other wars won't follow behind it.

In other words, I suspect the way that this will end is in something very tenuous, without true accountability, in which Russia is not disincentivized from attacking other places.

And that whether it's in Ukraine, whether it's in the Baltics or the Nordics,

we're going to see more of this, unfortunately.

Hello, welcome.

Why is this happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

We are going to approach the anniversary of the Russian invasion of Ukraine in the new year.

And I was thinking about this because wars, the ebbs and flows of wars can be obscure when

you're not experiencing directly, particularly if you're not in the

country that is at war. You know, the war in Afghanistan lasted over 20 years. The Syrian civil

war revolution depends on how you characterize or describe it. It lasted 14 years. Obviously,

famously, we know from history, there are literal hundred years wars and it can be very

hard to kind of get a sense of like what is going on i read the new york times coverage you know

because i get the physical paper and they have dispatches which they file and it does seem like

we're approaching some kind of key decision point, partly because the United States government in the person of Donald Trump seems to be essentially trying to push and bully the Ukrainians into settling a peace deal with Russia.

That would basically concede two of Russia's biggest demands, no membership in NATO,

and huge territorial concessions in the eastern part of the country,

which are the site of precisely the military aggression and contestation.

Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelenskyy has no interest in that, has been very public

and stalwart about that, But he himself, again,

if the patience of a nation starts to ebb in year three, you can understand that. He just had to

fire his very sort of prominent chief of staff who was under investigation for corruption.

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