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I don't know. I was sat at home and thought, okay, who's going to go out there and find these facts?

And at that point in time, I had the opportunity, I had the cameras, and I just jumped on it. I'm Kate Winkler Dawson, a nonfiction author and journalism professor in Austin, Texas.

I'm also the co-hosts of the podcast Buried Bones on Exactly Right.

And throughout my career, research for my many audio and book projects has taken me around the world. On Wicked Words,

I sit down with the people I've met along the way, amazing writers, journalists, filmmakers,

and podcasters who have investigated and reported on notorious true crime cases. This is about

the choices writers make, both good and bad, and it's a deep dive into the unpublished

details behind their stories.

Hey, y'all, before we get to our guest, I wanted to let you know that Paul Holes and I have

started a Patreon.

It's called Hey, it's Kate and Paul, and you can go to patreon.com slash Kate and Paul for all sorts of

extra stuff. So I'm starting a book club. It's called The Plot Thickens. We have movie reviews,

movies like Silence of the Lambs or Zodiac or Seven, we have Paul's takes on more current cases.

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