Lex Fridman & Jonathan Haidt: The Techno Monk & The Social Scientist
Decoding the Gurus
Christopher Kavanagh and Matthew Browne
4.2 • 1.2K Ratings
🗓️ 8 July 2022
⏱️ 184 minutes
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Summary
First, we apologise sincerely for the delayed-release. Matt and Chris have been busy beavers splicing together this decoding which proved particular gruelling for all sorts of uninteresting (but on-theme) technical reasons.
But finally, the wait is over and the long-anticipated episode on AI-aficionado and popular podcast host, Lex Fridman, is here. Although as the title indicates this accidentally turned into a joint decoding episode of his guest, the 'heterodox' social psychologist, Jonathan Haidt.
Lex is an interesting character and as such, for the decoding, two rather different pieces of content were selected: 1) a day-in-the-life video dairy and 2) one of his characteristic long-form interviews (with Haidt discussing social media). The format of a day-in-the-life video is perhaps inescapably cringey but it did give some unique insight into Lex's techno-monk lifestyle and his ongoing fascination/discovery of just how bad the Nazis & Hitler were. His interview with Haidt on the other hand was more substantial and covers a lot of tech-related issues that are genuinely complex and subject to an ongoing debate.
Jonathan Haidt is a famous and well-regarded academic but also something of a controversial figure online in part because of his involvement in the dreaded 'culture wars'. In particular, Haidt co-wrote the influential book 'The Codding of the American Mind', founded 'Heterodox Academy', and is a vocal critic of 'wokism' and certain aspects of social media. We take a look at his arguments and try to discern whether he is a nuanced social scientist offering prescient warnings or a boomer shaking his fist at the kids these days?
Join us and find out!
Links
- A Day in My Life - Lex Fridman
- Jonathan Haidt: The Case Against Social Media | Lex Fridman Podcast #291
- Two Psychologists, Four Beers: Episode 89: What's Wrong with Social Media?
- Why the Past 10 Years of American Life Have Been Uniquely Stupid - The Atlantic
- Orben & Przybylski (2019): The association between adolescent well-being and digital technology use
- Response from Twenge, Haidt, Joiner, & Campbell (2020)
- Response to the Response by Orben & Przybylski (2020)
- Haidt, J., & Bentov, Y. (ongoing). Free play and mental health: A collaborative review. Google Doc.
- Chris' Tweet review of The Coddling of the American Mind
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | You're going to be. Hello. Hello, welcome to the Dakota, the gouries, the podcast where an anthropologist and a psychologist, |
| 0:28.6 | listen to the greatest minds the world has to offer and we try to understand what they're talking about. |
| 0:33.2 | I'm Professor Matt Brown and with me is my trusting sidekick, Chris Kavanagh, he's an associate professor, |
| 0:39.0 | some would say an integral part of the show. Thanks for being here, Chris, good to see you. |
| 0:44.1 | Top of the morning to you, Matt. I've done that before and I'll do it again. |
| 0:48.3 | It never gets old. Never gets old. The greeting of my people. |
| 0:53.0 | Sometimes you introduce us as making comparisons to fictional characters. |
| 0:58.0 | I know you're finding that hard, your brain is running on empty, |
| 1:02.0 | but I was thinking recently, Matt, after an off-air discussion with you, |
| 1:06.7 | the ICU much like that little grasshopper from Pinocchio. |
| 1:13.2 | Jimmyty Cricket. |
| 1:14.7 | You're Jimmyity Cricket and I'm Pinocchio. |
| 1:18.1 | Don't know that the Pinocchio analogy works well, |
| 1:21.2 | but basically you're like my external conscience. |
| 1:25.0 | You tell me, don't do that Chris, don't fight with the people on Twitter. |
| 1:29.0 | Leave it, leave it. |
| 1:31.0 | That's right. |
| 1:32.0 | I tell you to turn the other cheek and sometimes you even listen to it. That's right. I tend to turn the other cheek and sometimes you even listen to me. God knows what you'd be doing if I wasn't advising you. |
| 1:38.8 | Yeah, imagine that. So I feel like we need that energy today, but we'll get into why later. |
| 1:46.3 | I'm just mentioning now, you know, that you are my external conscience. |
| 1:51.6 | So, there we go. Yeah, I actually don't get that reference. Like, I never saw Pinocchio. I know the names. I know there's a grassho. Do you know Jepedo? Yes, so I know the names. |
| 2:03.3 | Gamea accidentally seen part of a Disney movie, those old-timey ones, but I just despise |
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