Welcome to the Refine Collective Podcast. I'm your host, Cat Harris.

This podcast is designed to hold space for honest conversations. From purity culture to faith,

sexuality, relationships, identity, culture, deconstruction, and more. My hope is to look

out in the face, be curious, seek God, and ask meaningful questions to address any elephant

in the room with openness, nuance, and grace. I won't pretend to be an expert and definitely

don't have all the answers. And though it may feel easier and more comfortable to exist

in the black and white, I invite you to discover God with me in the gray and unexpected spaces.

So whoever you are, whatever you do or don't believe, you are welcome here and have a seat

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Welcome to the Refine Collective Podcast. I am your host Cat Harris and a special thank you

and shout out to new stand studio at one rock center for producing this episode of the Refine

Collective. Thank you so, so much. You can go ahead and follow along with Rockefeller and see

what is going on in Manhattan, New York on Instagram at Rockefeller Center or on Twitter,

at Rock Center NYC. Growing up in Southern Christian culture, I did not receive proper sex ed.

In fact, the only sex that I ever got was to not have sex until marriage. Once I got older,

I felt embarrassed by my lack of knowledge and also realized I put myself in some sticky

situations simply because I didn't know what I didn't know. So I committed to learning

everything I could because of knowledge comes power. And I wanted to be able to show up in

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