we're being conditioned to accept mass death as the price and the cost of doing business.

We are in large part railing against this in our book.

We're frogs in boiling water.

And what has to happen is that some of us have to be saying,

oh my God, we're frogs in boiling water.

How the fuck do we get out of the boiling water?

And that is the work we're trying to talk about.

When we talk about reciprocal care, we are saying reciprocal care has to be at the center

of getting us the fuck out of the boiling water.

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Let This Radicalize You Organizing and the Revolution of Reciprocal Care, which is out this week

from Haymarket Books. Kelly Hayes is the host of Truthout's podcast, Movement Memos,

and a contributing writer at Truthout. She is also a direct action trainer and a co-founder

of the direct action collective, lifted voices, and the Chicago Light Brigade. Kelly has also

co-organized and led hundreds of trainings, protests, and campaigns, including struggles for

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