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Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Lessons in product leadership and AI strategy from Glean, Google, Amazon, and Slack | Tamar Yehoshua (Product at Glean, ex-Google and Slack)

Lenny's Podcast: Product | Growth | Career

Lenny Rachitsky

Technology, Business, Entrepreneurship

51.5K Ratings

🗓️ 26 September 2024

⏱️ 77 minutes

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Summary

Tamar Yehoshua is the president of product and technology at Glean. Prior to joining Glean, Tamar was chief product officer at Slack, where she led product, design, and research as the company scaled, including a 10x increase in revenue, its public listing, and an acquisition by Salesforce. She also led product and engineering teams at Google, working on search, identity, and privacy, and at A9.com, an Amazon company. Tamar has served on the board of directors for RetailMeNot, ServiceNow, Snyk, and Yext. In our conversation, we discuss:

• Why you don’t need to be a well-run company to win

• The impact of AI on product management and the future of work

• How to build strong cross-functional relationships, especially with engineers

• Lessons learned from working with leaders like Jeff Bezos and Stewart Butterfield

• Strategies for staying ahead in a rapidly evolving tech landscape

• Much more

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Find the transcript and show notes at: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/you-dont-need-to-be-a-well-run-company-to-win-tamar-yehoshua

Where to find Tamar Yehoshua:

• X: https://x.com/TYehoshua

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamar-yehoshua-886217/

• Newsletter: https://tamaryehoshua.substack.com/

Where to find Lenny:

• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com

• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/

In this episode, we cover:

(00:00) Tamar’s background

(02:09) Key advice for career success

(06:54) Understanding people and motivations

(09:33) The importance of impact

(11:20) Navigating company chaos

(18:40) Career planning: a different perspective

(26:22) Lessons from industry leaders

(37:59) Building stronger cross-functional relationships

(42:00) Streamlining OKR reviews with async methods

(45:26) Why you shouldn’t worry so much about making users unhappy

(47:50) The power of listening in leadership

(52:34) How to leverage AI so you don’t fall behind

(01:06:39) Closing thoughts and lightning round

Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email [email protected].

Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.



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Transcript

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0:00.0

Make sure you go somewhere where you have a good engineering partner because if you have great ideas of what to build but you can't get them built, then you go nowhere.

0:08.8

So that has to be part of your evaluation criteria that you meet and value your engineering partner before you join.

0:16.6

And then I think what's really important is that you're aligned.

0:19.2

You understand your roles and responsibilities and where you're going to divide and

0:22.9

conquer and where you're going to be aligned. You don't want any of this like people in

0:26.6

the organization they ask mom they ask dad and they got different opinions and

0:30.1

playing one against the other, like that hasn't worked.

0:33.0

Today my guest is Tamar Yajoshaa.

0:39.0

Tamar is currently president of product and technology at Glean, one of the most successful Enterprise AI companies

0:45.3

Athar right now, prior to joining Glean tomorrow was Chief Product Officer at Slack for four

0:49.9

years where she led product, design, and research as the company scaled, 10X the revenue, went

0:55.3

through IPO and then got bought by Salesforce. Tamar also led product and engineering teams

1:00.0

at Google, where for many years she was responsible for the Google search experience.

1:04.5

She also spent five years at Amazon as Director of Engineering and Vice President at A9.com.

1:09.6

She was also a venture partner at IVP and has been on board of directors for Service Now, Sneak, Retail Me Not,

1:16.3

Yex. In our conversation, we get into all kinds of juicy advice, including why companies don't have to be run well to win, why you don't need a career plan.

1:25.6

The two habits she credits most for helping her succeed throughout her career.

1:29.8

What she learned from Jeff Bezos and Sturt Butterfield and Mark Benny off,

1:33.7

how to build stronger cross-functional relationships,

1:36.6

and a bunch of advice on AI, including how it will likely change your jobs,

1:40.9

examples of how she and her colleagues are already using AI to be more productive in their work,

1:45.5

and what she's learned about building AI-based products that are non-deterministic and can be very

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