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WSJ Opinion: Free Expression

Lessons from Nixon for Trump's New World Order

WSJ Opinion: Free Expression

Gerard Baker, Editor at Large, The Wall Street Journal

Society & Culture, News

4.6591 Ratings

🗓️ 6 March 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

As the breach between the U.S. and its allies widens following President Trump's Oval Office bust-up with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky and his imposition of tariffs on Canada and Mexico, what can history tell us about today's tumult?  On this episode of Free Expression, deputy national security advisor to Trump in his first term Nadia Schadlow shares with Gerry Baker the parallels she sees between Donald Trump and Richard Nixon as both faced a tense and rapidly changing international climate. They discuss how Trump and Nixon both believed in peace through strength, in the importance of a global balance of power and in the opportunity provided by negotiation - sometimes with unexpected partners. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

From the opinion pages of the Wall Street Journal, this is Free Expression with Jerry Baker.

0:08.8

Hello and welcome to the Free Expression podcast from The Wall Street Journal.

0:12.1

I'm Jerry Baker, editor at large of the journal.

0:14.2

If you're not already subscribing to Free Expression, please do sign up wherever you do.

0:17.3

You're listening.

0:18.3

This week, we're going to take another look at Donald Trump's

0:22.0

grand strategy in a time of extraordinary diplomatic and some might say undiplomatic activity

0:29.1

at the first few weeks of the Trump administration, everything from Ukraine and Russia,

0:33.2

the Middle East, China, Canada, Mexico, Panama, Greenland. Amidst all this activity, can we detect

0:39.9

the makings of a strategic project that might define Donald Trump's second term? As he seems to be

0:47.1

picking fights with allies over trade and tariffs and over war in Europe, while seeking new

0:53.4

partnerships with old adversaries like Russia,

0:56.7

is perhaps the outline of a new order emerging. Or is Trump, in fact, simply recognizing that a

1:02.9

new order has already been born or is in the process of being born, and he's just simply

1:08.1

seeking to seize and shape it.

1:11.6

Well, my guest this week has a fascinating take on all this, on Trump Grand Strategy and Foreign Policy,

1:16.9

and particularly on an interesting historical precedent that may be very relevant.

1:22.1

Nadia Shadlow is a senior fellow at the Hudson Institute and co-chair of the Hamilton Commission

1:27.0

on securing America's

1:28.0

national security innovation base. Dr. Shadlow served as U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor for

1:33.4

strategy in the first Trump term, and in that capacity she led the drafting and the publication of

1:39.3

the 2017 National Security Strategy of the United States. In her latest piece in the journal The National

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