Leo Varadkar on Trump, Starmer and the death of liberalism
The News Agents
Global
4.1 • 5.4K Ratings
🗓️ 26 September 2025
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
In many ways, Leo Varadkar was a historic Taoiseach. The youngest Irish PM, the first from an ethnic minority, and the first openly gay head of government.
His time at the top of Irish politics was also historic - he grappled with Trump's first term, the Brexit years, and the Covid pandemic.
At just 44 years of age, he walked away from politics. But he is still fascinated - even obsessed - by the political arena.
He's written a memoir, 'Speaking My Mind', about his rise to power and his time at the seat of government.
He came into The News Agents studio to speak to Lewis about the populist surge and where Starmer is failing in his efforts to curb it here, what it's like dealing with Donald Trump up close and personal, and why he found Boris Johnson easier to deal with than Theresa May - even though he couldn't trust him.
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| 0:12.4 | There's a battle for the soul of this country now as to what sort of country do we want to be |
| 0:17.9 | because that toxic divide, that decline with reform, it's built on a sense of |
| 0:23.2 | grievance, grievance politics, identifying something real, for sure, but relying on the problem |
| 0:29.2 | existing in order for their politics to persist. And it's a very different choice. The choice |
| 0:35.6 | before the electorate here at the next election |
| 0:38.0 | is not going to be the traditional Labour versus Conservative. It's why I've said the Conservative |
| 0:43.3 | party is dead. Centre-right parties in many European countries have withered on the vine. And the |
| 0:50.1 | same is happening in this country. It's a different proposition and therefore becomes a binary |
| 0:55.2 | argument as to the future of our country. That was the Prime Minister speaking at the Global Progress |
| 1:00.5 | Action Summit, exciting, a meeting of global progressive leaders on Friday, build as a progressive |
| 1:07.1 | fight back. An attempt, something we've talked about on this show a lot, to reframe |
| 1:12.7 | his politics and governments as a moral and political repost to the radical right, rather than |
| 1:19.0 | merely an attack on their competence. One of the problems for Stama is that there aren't that many |
| 1:25.6 | examples of success he can look to in that endeavour. |
| 1:29.8 | Someone who, as you'll hear, isn't short of advice of a diagnosis of the ills of liberal politics, |
| 1:36.8 | is Leo Varadka, the former Taoiseach, Prime Minister of Ireland. |
| 1:40.3 | In so many ways, Varadka's story embodies that liberalism, though a member of |
| 1:45.8 | Fina Gale, broadly speaking, Ireland's centre right party, his assence as a half-Indian, gay man |
| 1:52.1 | to the head of government of what was once thought to be one of the most socially conservative |
| 1:58.0 | countries in Europe surprised the world, and seemed to embody the triumph of |
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