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Right, we are at the Labour Party conference in Liverpool, which has got underway.

I've just finished my LBC Sunday show, which was jam-packed full of interviews in a conference, feels like it is the most difficult for Kirstama possibly of his leadership so far.

We thought we'd bring you this special Sunday episode to set the scene for what will be an important week for the Labour Party for Kirstama's government as he desperately tries to send a message that he has a mission, a moral and political mission for where he wants to take this country.

Where will Kirstama be at the end of the week by comparison to its beginning?

Welcome to the newsagents.

The Newsagents. It's Lewis. It's Aggie. And we are at the Labor Party conference in Liverpool.

It's the opening day. The first full proper day of the conference. And I've just finished recording the LBC show, which of course runs 10 till 12 every Sunday, in case you didn't already know. And it was, the Pact Show had loads and loads of interviews, not least the two people vying to be deputy leader of the Labour Party, the Education Secretary, Bridget Philipson, the recently departed cabinet minister, leader of the House of Commons, Lucy Powell, Aggie. Let's just like, set, before we get to some of these interviews,

set the scene a little bit, right? This feels to me, this is kind of an odd conference, a really odd conference. It's easily the most kind of difficult one for Labor for some years, although that's not that surprising considering last year, they were still sort of basking in the warm afterglow of the election victory. The year before that, they were heading into government, so all of the kind of inevitable factionalism, which dominates these conferences, was kind of the kind of lid put on it. But it feels to me like this is a conference where, which is being billed as really important for Kirstama, really important for the future of his government, which always maybe be a bit skeptical about how important and externally these conferences are. most people out there obviously not paying any attention. But at a moment where people in the Labour Party definitely are, it is important and it feels to me like the general senses is that the party, all of its wings,

are desperate for a sense of coherence, of definition, of mission, of moral mission, of where

Stama wants to take the party, and yet incoherency feels to me is still raining. What do you think?

I think that's completely right. I think everyone here is desperate for the government to, genuinely,

for the government to succeed, for the government to deliver. I think where the problem start is lots of people are very unclear about what delivery actually looks like,

including, I think, some in the government. I do think one sort of positive bit of this

conference is the fact that I think if it was a week ago, two weeks ago, it would have been

more difficult for the government because of Andy Burnham. Of course, Andy Burnham, the mayor for Greater Manchester, has had these couple of interviews he's done this week, one with the New Statesman, one with the Telegraph. And there were a couple of lines in there, which I think of really irked Labour folk. So one of them was the fact that he said the government shouldn't be so in hoc to the bond markets. The second was the

fact that he said, Labour MPs are asking me to stand. The reason this is basically united other

Labour people is they think he went too far. They think he overplayed his hand. And even allies of

his that I've spoken to say that he thinks he's probably feeling a little bit squeamish now and

knows he went too far. And that's basically resulted in lots of people within the Labour Party basically feeling a bit like, actually, we do need this to go well. We do want Keir to succeed. And actually, I think that is positive. And as one minister said to me, actually, as I was walking over to your show, Lewis, basically said it's a bit like Game of Thrones. and the King of the North doesn't last long in the Game of Thrones.

I have never watched Game of Thrones.

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