Hey everyone, Matt Frazier here with a good friend of mine,

but someone who is big enough online

that I still get a little bit nervous

when I interview him.

His name's Leo Babalta, he's got a brand new book.

He's from, of course, the Big Sight Zen Habits,

and I'm really excited for this so Leo thanks for joining me

Yeah, thanks for having me and I just want to let you know my hands do get a little sweaty when I talk to you too

Oh yes all right I don't quite believe that but I'll I'll pretend like I do to you too. Yes. All right.

I don't quite believe that, but I'll pretend like I do.

Oh, I feel a little sweaty.

All right, good enough.

I'm going to be my workout though, I just did a squat workout.

Could be.

Or it could be the fact that your kickstart was ready

to launch in two hours from now, right?

Yeah, from when we were recording this, right?

But anyway, yeah, so I want to talk about the new book

because I'm really excited.

I'm a fan of all your stuff, and I've heard you say that this book is

the best one yet and the thing you're most proud of so that that to me is

intriguing so I want to dive into that and then then we'll just go into some other stuff. But

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