He gave me that image with every newspaper writer every

ever ever magazine writer is you gotta feed the beast and I've never I've

never wanted that image and I've never, and it's never gotten out of my head.

One of the, we have a series of sayings in one of the chapters of the chapter under the book and one of them is one of my favorites is the shortest distance between two points is all the ways up.

I'm not trying to be an advocate or a wordsmith necessarily I'm just trying to give them information.

Hey, this is Hale hearing with the Backcountry Hunters and Anglers podcast.

I'm still in Duluth, Minnesota at the Outdoor Writers Association meeting here and

I got two old school writers and hunters with me. I got Rich Landards from the

spokesman review and I've got a Pat Ray who writes for the Corvallis Gazette.

Gazette Times and author of a Chucker Hunter's Companion

and a general all-around feller.

So one of the things I just wanted to talk about, especially I signed up with

Rich First on this to just talk about you've been covering hunting and fishing for as long as I've been reading.

You were at diapers when I started.

Exactly, I still am.

I still use them and I'm heading for the depends variety.

It's the Circle of Life.

Circle of Life.

So, but I just, one of the things I noticed on here would like whenever I'm researching something for a story

And I'm googling up one to every every topic is when covered by Richlanders at some point and it was noticed that like 10 if you go back say

eight or nine years you were like correct and like many of the columns like pointing out

different stuff that came to you know that eventually

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