From Wired, this is the big interview, where we'll get to know the people behind the headlines

in conversations that explore the intersection of technology, power, and culture.

I'm Katie Drummond, Wired's global editorial director, and my guest today is Devin Stone.

Or on YouTube, you may know him as Legal Eagle.

This channel is about breaking down the American legal system, from deconstructing your favorite courtroom dramas, to explaining what's going on in the news.

My mission is to give you an insider's view into our courtrooms and our legal process.

And with 3.9 million subscribers, they seem to be

onto something. Here with me now is the Legal Eagle himself, Devin Stone. Devin, welcome.

Thanks for having me. It's a really interesting time to be a content creator, a really

interesting time to be a lawyer, and really interesting time to be both the content creator

and a lawyer.

I have no doubt. I can't wait to ask you all about it. And I wanted to start by saying and

letting our audience know if you have not checked out legal legal on YouTube, you are a real

practicing lawyer. You're also a law professor at Georgetown. You also have this enormously

popular YouTube channel. So I am trying

to triangulate a little bit how you get all of this done. But I'm curious to sort of back up

what made you go from, okay, I'm going to get my law degree. I'm going to go down a conventional

path to YouTube. How do you end up there? You spend a lot of years grinding away at a very large

national law firm where you get the best training in the world. And then when it comes to the

time when you would be elevated to partner, realize that you are completely burned out and

that it would be more fun to just make videos and post them to the internet.

Now, you do a lot of very serious legal breakdowns on your channel. I want to spend time talking about those.

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