Listen to what the Lord Chief Justice Sir Declan Morgan had to say about dealing with legacy issues when he spoke to me back in September.

You can't lead people to where they don't want to go. I think that the reason we haven't solved this problem is because the community has had difficulty in finding a way to address it.

What I think we need to do is to think about whether there's a process,

whether a community can give permission to our politicians to actually find a way forward.

So is he right? Is the answer to the current stalemate to somehow find a way for the people to tell

the politicians what should happen rather than the other way around.

Judith?

I think to an extent he's right in that I've certainly talked to politicians who say,

listen, I can't move too far ahead of people.

And that happens on both sides of all our divides.

But I think it's also true that whilst we seem to fall apart in disagreement

whenever proposals are made to address this issue,

we also seem, and I feel this really strongly right now,

hear from people right across Northern Ireland that they cannot live with doing nothing.

There is a real understanding of the pain and difficulty that this is causing.

And I think part of the trick is to stop making this a conversation about who wins and who

loses and to find a way to reframe this as a civic conversation about how we all help heal

something which hurt everybody. Leslie, do you think the Lord Chief Justice has a point?

I think there's merit in what he's saying, but I do, as someone who participated in the

Eames Bradley process as part of that panel, if you like, I do have some difficulty with it.

I mean, to say that the community hasn't had a chance to have their say would be wrong.

There was a lot of opportunity for people to have their say during that process.

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