Hello, it's Brooke Devard and you're listening to the Naked Beauty podcast.

This is a little leftovers episode from my chat with Jess Defina who I absolutely just loved talking to.

She's one of the, for me in my opinion, strongest voices in the beauty industry and she

self-identifies as a feminist and as a very

conscious consumer. So it's interesting when you speak to people with those

strong viewpoints who also work in the beauty industry, There's some inherent contradictions and conflicts

that come up.

And I loved really going deep with her in the episode,

but I wanted to save this little bonus clip for you guys

because we talk about a lot of fun things.

I learn a little bit more about what self-care means to her,

how she approaches eating,

but I was also very curious because just as a lot of research and background,

I wanted to know what the deals with those like ingestible collagen like

gummy bears and drinks and I've been seeing retinol added into drinks and who knows

what's even going on sometimes in the beauty industry so I loved getting her take on that.

We also just talk about this confluence of self-care

and buying things, which drives me crazy.

You guys know I always say self-care is free. I hope you guys enjoy this little mini episode and I will be back with the full episode soon.

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Thank you guys so much for your support. Let's get into the snippet with Jess.

And then I think a lot of people kind of go to buying skin care to feel like they're doing the work of self-improvement.

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