Hey everybody it's Bill Courtney with an army of normal folks and we

continue now with part two of our conversation with pastor Lee Robbins right

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I'm Mary Kaye McBrayer, host of the podcast The Greatest True Crime Stories Ever Told.

I write about true crime, which means I live inside the research wormhole,

but I'm not necessarily interested in the headline grabbing elements,

the blood and the gore, all of that.

I'm more interested in the people behind these stories

and what we can learn by looking at their experiences.

You can meet me every week on the greatest true crime stories ever told,

where I dig into crimes where a woman is not just a victim.

She might be the detective, the lawyer, the witness, the coroner, the criminal, or some. the

criminal, or some combination of these roles.

I delve into the good, the bad, the difficult,

and all the nuance I can find.

Because these are the stories we need to know to understand the

intersection of society justice and the fascinating workings of the human

psyche. Listen to the greatest true crime stories ever told on the I Heart Radio app, Apple

Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

In the new Amy and TJ podcast. Amy Robach and T.J. Holmes, a renowned broadcasting team,

with decades of experience delivering headline news

and captivating viewers nationwide,

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