This is David Marler, UFO researcher, and you're listening to that UFO Podcast.

Hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO Podcast. My name is Andy and I am joined on my show today by a European advisor for the Scientific Coalition for

UAP Studies, former police officer, University lecturer, he has a master's in criminology and criminal

psychology. He has also been a field investigator and UK director for Mufon. I'd like

to welcome to the podcast Lee Dines. Lee welcome at the pod.

Hi Randy, thanks for the invite.

It's good to have you on and finally we've been sitting what talking now for 35 minutes

before we've even managed to hit record due to some tech issues on Streamyards behalf and just before

we were about to call it a day it's finally let us in Lee so that's a sign it was meant to happen and we've

got a good bit of chat and done already so I'm sure that

will stand is in really good stead. Lee loads of ground to cover with you.

Personally it's a pleasure for me to speak to someone in the UK recording at 4 o'clock in the afternoon when I can still

have my whole evening ahead of me when we finish this but no better way than to spend a Saturday

than talking to you Lee so let's talk about first your own background

for listeners or viewers who may not be sure who you are what your background is what's

your kind of earliest interest in UFOs and what brought you to the dance?

So Andy I got interested when I was about 14 years old. I had always been interested in space and SETI etc.

And I had read quite extensively on that even as a child.

However for the UAP topic itself it was actually I was walking by a second

hand bookstore and I saw a book by Richard Hall who used to be with Niacap and it was the

UFO Evidence Volume 1. I got that book and I was hooked.

After I read that book, I read everything that I could on the subject.

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