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Hello, and welcome to Coffeyhouse Shots, the Spectators Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Max Jeffrey and I'm joined today by Fraser Nelson and Katie Bulls.

Lee Anderson, who was until a few weeks ago Deputy Chairman of the Tory Party has defected to reform this morning,

here's a little snippet of what he had to say.

Like millions of people up and down the country, all I want is my country back.

Now this may sound offensive to the liberal elite but it's not

offensive to my friends, my family, my constituents and some of my donors.

Constituents like my mom and dad who told me they could not vote for me

unless I joined Reform UK. My parents are both nearly 80 and they get it

and I must not let them down. As I said at the beginning I want my

country back thank you.

Katie couldn't you give us the details was this much of a surprise?

So I don't think it was a huge surprise as defection in the sense that long before the

Anderson's promotion even to Deputy Chairman of the Tory Party he was seen as one of

those MPs who was often on what the home office called Reform Watch,

which is quite a useful device to summon the home office,

because they would say if we are too soft on various issues such as immigration these are these

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