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The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

Learning to Govern Ourselves | Interview: Ben and Jenna Storey

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.7 • 6.6K Ratings

🗓️ 2 February 2026

⏱️ 74 minutes

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Summary

Today on The Remnant, university-reform eggheads Ben and Jenna Storey join Neanderthal-in-remediation Jonah Goldberg to talk about civic education and recent efforts to rejuvenate American higher ed. Jonah and the Storeys cover university governance, the relationship between civics and the liberal arts, the significance of postliberalism, and the reasons for thinking seriously. Show Notes:—Center for the Future of the American University—Ben and Jenna Storey’s book - Why We Are Restless—Robert Michels - Political Parties: A Sociological Study of the Oligarchial Tendencies of Modern Democracy—AAUP’s 1915 Declaration of Principles—Why Liberalism Failed—Regime Change: Toward a Postliberal Future—Remnant episode with Will Inboden on higher ed reform The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including access to all of Jonah’s G-File newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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