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This is C.J. Ortiz, the metal motivator.

And we're going to go into a deep discussion with Pat McNamara.

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Now, let's go into the interview with Pat Mac.

All right.

So let's start with the basics, Patrick McNamara.

How do you define leadership?

So I wrote my answer down and then I looked up a Google version, you know, to see.

And there was some pretty good crossover here, but I added, mine was a little bit more

in depth.

It's not wordy.

Mine's like the ability to be able to guide, mentor, guide, mentor, organize, lead, and motivate.

You know, you have to have those abilities for leadership.

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