Welcome to the John Maxxil Leadership Podcast, Mark Cole here and we have a treat for you today.

As many of you know, John has been on Mondays streaming live with a program called Leadership when it matters most.

Just in the last couple of weeks we have added to that and called it the Leader Series.

This is a series to where John's going to bring leaders that are leading in these challenging, unusual times and bring them to the table to have a conversation.

And so we felt our podcast team, Jake, Jason and myself, we felt like there was so much gold in these conversations we wanted to bring it to you, our podcast community.

And so today, no stranger to you, no stranger to this podcast community is Simon Sinek.

Now you know Simon not just from his books, not just from his friendship with John but he's been on our podcast.

Today, you are going to see some insights as we listen in to a segment that John Maxx will Simon Sinek and myself just aired a week ago.

We're going to pull out two clips from John and Simon's conversation.

Today, if you would like to go and get the full Facebook live video of John Maxwell and Simon Sinek, you can go to MaxwellPodcast.com forward slash leaders listen, leaders plural listen.

Click on the resource button. You'll be able to see the full video of us talking now.

I'm ready to jump in because this first clip, Simon and John are answering a question by a gentleman named Ty.

And this clip is really important because it deals with empathy, with how we listen in leadership, especially during these times when critical conversations with people that look different than us, that think different than us, people who have a different perspective,

people who have a different experience. We realize in this segment how necessary this is but how difficult it can be.

So here we go. This first clip from the discussion, then Jason Brooks, my co-host today and I will come back and offer thoughts and application.

Hey, let's go. Let's go to Ty. He is from Virginia Beach. Simon will go to you first and then John, you just jump right in.

Ty says many of the tensions we're experiencing are because leaders have failed to listen.

How can we become better listeners and secondly, how do we change from just hearing someone's perspective to actually listening to that perspective?

Well, asked and answered.

We can't we can make demands of our leaders, but the end of the day, we can only be responsible for ourselves.

Like we can't change our leaders when we can we can vote them in and out or we can or we can, you know, choose to get a different job somewhere, but we can't physically actually change the way that they're going to do business or how they see the world, you know, no number of anonymously sent books is going to solve that problem.

But we can change ourselves and you know, when I hear people talking about the system is broken, there's no mythical system. It's us.

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