Hey everyone this is Kurt Franklewood leading Saints and we're going to sneak a short

episode in here I don't know if I even classified as an episode but we want to make sure

you're aware of an event coming up and I've invited Brent and Courtney

Ebbmeyer on here. How are you too? Great, how are you? Very good. And we're all affiliated with North Star in some fashion and you two, at least for the last few years, you've been in charge of organizing their annual conference. And so you've got it figured out at this point right?

I don't know I'd go that far but yes we've been involved with the conference in

some leadership role for about this our fifth year and but the last two years have been in as

chairs of the conference so nice cool and last year I've recorded an episode with

Brent and his brother Bruce.

I knew it was all your brothers with Stan with him.

That's right.

So Bruce, we told him about your story and whatnot, and so if people want to, I'll link to that in the show

notes.

But, so maybe just if people are listening to this, they're not familiar with not only the North Star

conference but North Star in general how would you explain to somebody maybe a

church leader what North Star is? That's a great question because I would say North Star is an organization that kind of meets

Latter-day Saints where they are. But in general, they help them people who experience same-sex attraction, maybe identify themselves

as lesbian, transgender, bisexual, anywhere on that kind of spectrum, but it helps those individuals

live a covenant keeping lifestyle.

Everything about North Star centers around Christ

and the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ

of Latter-day Saints.

And so we wholeheartedly affirm all those doctrines and policies but yet we also create a space

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