Now it's time for the last word with Lawrence O'Donnell. Good evening, Lawrence.

You can find me at Blue Sky, too. Thanks to Rachel, encouraging me to get over there.

Rachel, thank you so much for that interview with the bishop.

So many people I know were so eager to hear more from her after seeing what she did in that sermon,

which was just an unimpeachable approach to a simple subject

that has been mentioned in churches many time, mercy.

That's a very simple thing to bring up.

Yeah.

And for her to say only true things, for her to speak in the gentle and generous and respectful way that she did,

and for it to cause the president to effectively short circuit and insult her and demand an

apology and to talk about the church service not being exciting. And like, as Chris put put it earlier tonight giving it a one-star

review i mean the the contrast between the dignity and humility of her remarks um and him just

unbeing incapable of hearing anybody speak speaking to him in those kinds of terms was a real character call. And I was happy to hear

her elaborate on her thoughts on it and what's happened since. And the fact that she gets nervous

speaking from the pulpit is really interesting. Yeah. And having watched it tonight, I think when I was

watching it in your program, it might have been the third or fourth time I saw it. So this time I actually focused on someone other than Donald Trump.

And what I noticed was the only person in those first two rows who actually seemed to know how to even listen to that was vice president Vance's wife.

The vice president, Vance, he was turning to try to chat with her

and she refused to do it she refused she stayed right on the bishop and all those trumps

those those trump kids uh looking at her you can and uh and uh and uh don't trump's wife uh looking at the bishop, you could read very clearly what they were feeling.

Yeah.

And he, I mean, I think it's plain that she wasn't trying to embarrass anybody.

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