Lawfare Daily: Trump Sues Self, Settles
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
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🗓️ 22 May 2026
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
This week, the Department of Justice announced that Trump and his sons dropped their lawsuit against the IRS and Treasury in exchange for a $1.776 billion fund for Trump’s allies and blanket immunity from government suits for the Trump family.
Lawfare Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes talks with Senior Editor Eric Columbus about what the settlement means, where it came from, and what can be done about it. You can read much more in the piece Eric co-authored with Senior Editor Anna Bower in Lawfare here.
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| 1:08.7 | It's an immunity deal, immunity for any, against any possible enforcement action that the federal government could bring at any time based upon anything that you or your family or your businesses or their businesses have done up to the date of the settlement. |
| 1:30.9 | It's the Lawfare podcast. |
| 1:33.2 | I'm Benjamin Wittes, editor-in-chief of Lawfare with Lawfare Senior Editor, Eric Columbus. |
| 1:41.3 | There also is, as you say, an equal protection component about the type of victim. That, I think, |
| 1:49.4 | is probably uphill battle because the government, as I said, is allowed to pick and choose |
| 1:54.6 | about what types of victims it wants to, harms that wants to remedy. We're talking presidents who sue themselves today. |
| 2:04.3 | Donald Trump has done the impossible. |
| 2:07.0 | He has settled litigation with himself on the basis of the creation of a slush fund |
| 2:13.9 | to pay off political supporters along with a shocking immunity agreement by which the government |
| 2:24.1 | never seeks to sue him again. Eric and Lawfare senior editor Anna Bauer have written a lengthy |
| 2:32.9 | examination of this whole mess of issues. We go through it all. |
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