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with Holly Berkeley Fletcher, a former senior CIA Africa analyst and Alexander Palmer,

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It does go back to state weakness.

I do think there's a particular challenge when you do have a sizable population

that would be possibly ideologically receptive to Islamic extremism.

Today we're talking about terrorism, insurgency, and instability in sub-Saharan Africa.

I want to plunge into our discussion of extremism and instability in both East and West Africa.

And, Zander, I know you have a report coming out on the subject.

Can you give us the kind of top lines of the extremist groups and the biggest threats they pose and

your overall conclusions?

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