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So I'm not really thinking about we have identified this emerging technology or this very advanced technology, we are going to regulate it.

It is instead, let's look at sort of the supply chain that enables the development of these technologies.

Are there foreign adversaries involved in the supply chain that we should be concerned about?

It's the Law Fair Podcast. I'm Natalie Orpet, executive editor of Law Fair, with

Brandon Van Grock and Elizabeth Cannon. So if we've decided to impose, for example, a

mitigating measure and the company chooses

not to effectively implement that mitigating measure, we could instead just move to prohibition.

Today, Lawfair contributing editor Editor Brandon Van Grack and I are talking about the

Office of Information and Communications Technology and Services with its

Executive Director Liz Cannon. It's a relatively new office at the Department of Commerce.

This is the latest episode in our special series, The Regulators, co-sponsored with Morrison Forrester, in which we talk with senior government officials

working at the front lines of US national security policy.

Liz, your office, which is a mouthful, the office of information, communications, technology, and services.

It rolls off the tongue.

It really does.

As far as I can tell, it's the newest, or at least one of the newest offices in terms of entities regulating sort of in the national security space and certainly with respect to commerce.

And you've now been in this role in terms of heading it for a few months and so we

want to talk about like what is the office why was it created and and how like how in

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